Did you have a thread for this on the old forums? (the post looks familiar). If so, it would help your investors/potential investors to post a link to that old thread.

I see it now. When I looked earlier, it wasn't a clickable link.

Sadly as yet, there is no way to make big red SCAM letters, however, anyone investing in this may want to refer back to the original forum thread and the OP's lack of any actual substance when responding to questions and suggestions on how to turn this 'investment' into something that is a little more sound.

For pretty letters see here

It may also be prudent to note the post below it where once again, the OP completely misses the point or context.

For anyone not wanting to wade through pages of monotonous 'bump' messages, this is most likely going to end up a scam, your money would be better invested elsewhere.

(well, unless you like throwing ISK away)

idk bro this sounds like some get rich quick scheme to me

Moved from "Market Discussions".

Sounds like a sweet scam, are you trying to beat the 1 trillion on eve news 24?

simple

"Phaser inc #2"

/thread

move on

Please confirm or deny the following: Every person who believes this is a scam and states as much in your thread will be instantly branded a troll by yourself so as to deflect concerns because "only trolls are saying he's a scammer".

You have no proof that you are legit, you havent done anything before, nothing is secured, you are asking people to trust that you wont just log off one day....

This is how all scams start

As always with eve

Buyer Beware, a wolf is in the long grass

Then that just goes to prove that an Idiot is scammed every minute of every day then doesnt it

That just shows doesnt it

Someone questions your legitmacy and they are labelled a troll, thing is you have NO proof that you are anything other then a scammer

All you are doing is just showing yourself as the fraudster you likely are

Of course this is the same logic used by phaser inc, despite people pointing out how much like a ponzi scheme it was.

The only thing people have to go on is your word, and some crappy website you control (moderate) off this forum (not searchable or archived), again, just lik phaser inc.

When you actually start answering concerns people have raised and stop trying to use obsfication and redirection to make the casual people miss your idiocy then we may start taking you seriously.

This is a scam and pretending to have investors by posting with alts will only fool the poor sods that can't be bothered reading.

A fool and his ISK i guess..

My advice to everyone reading this far.. Dont invest unless you want to lose your ISK.

Oh, and happy bumping. I hope the bumps make more people realize what a bad choice this SCAM is

If we we're really trolling you a GM/Dev would of deleted our posts.

The fact it you have no business plan, no collateral and are immature.

Ergo your a Scammer or just plain thick.

yup, real successful business you have

5 members to your forum, all of which prob your alts and new characters.

move along scammer, nothing to see here

You havent answered **** all, you want to prove your legit.

secure 20b with a secure source, there are a number here.

Once you do something like that perhaps people will actually believe you as it is you are nothing special and tbh just wasting peoples time.

oh and btw, if you want to get some honor go after people who know better, not n00bs.

No honor in killing/scamming n00bs

You havent answered anything....

If you want to be taken seriously, do a secure deposit until you have independent verification that you are legit.

Its really simple, we think you are a scammer,

Man up, secure some of YOUR OWN assets with somer or the like and show us that you have some balls

And there you have it ladies and gents

This man who is "trustworthy" wont actually secure any of his own assets to prove he is legit, as he knows when he goes bye bye he will lose his assets that he should have secured.

Congrats, you have been outed...

I love the way that you can reassure potential investors by calling any cynic a troll or a "forum warrior" I just dont like seeing people take advantage of guys who have no ability to do anything other then try and scan new guys

You can solve all this and shut everyone up by just securing some assets. Show that you are SO confident in your ability to do this that you will 100% guarantee return by way of a secured fund.

None of this balls that it will cost you a few isk

Prove that you have stones and are not just out to rip new guys off who dont know any better

For anyone that is following this, this is what the OP is running

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

Seen all day every day

I have sent you an in game mail.

Scam alert.

Scam alert.

Yup, played WoW for 4 days on a trial account and figured there were too many kids like you trying to scam others.

But good luck with your scam, I mean people have already forgotten about Phazer Inc. If you're lucky you'll get 20-30 bil without a single sweat.

So, lets see now

Unless you are completely brain dead you would not give out 100% of the shares to your corporation (obviously, as this could lead to a takeover) so the options are - have a holding company with the shares that you hand out to people, or - have more shares in your main company that 'directors' hold and hand out additional shares to others.

The problem here is that we only have YOUR word that you are actually handing out shares to people as you say, and you could potentially be handing out additional shares to other people (alts as holders then real people as they come along) and be raising MORE than 10bn while making it look that is all you are raising.

And yes - you know 'moderate' is a subset of 'own' right ? I personally don't give a rats arse if you own your web site or not, but the fact that you control the information that is put there still remains.

Oh, and don't forget that I even offered to pay for a full audit for you, and you STILL refused to take me up on that - what are you hiding eh ? so.. how many 'trolls' would sink their own isk in trying to prove you legit ?

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536461&page=4#110

Infact, that page all sorts of juicy, like you admitting that you were intending on investing 20bn ? Like you making all sorts of outrageous claims about how much of a market influence you are.

I think I would just like to once again.. leave you with some pretty red letters.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536461&page=4#97

And as for the TOTALLY ORIGINAL U MAD BRO tag.

My answer still hasn't changed.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536461&page=4#100

SCAM

I want to sell out my 2 shares due to urgent need of ISK. Please send me 100mil please

100mil received. Thank you

wow this has really been punched about, not laughed at a thread like this for ages....

free bump

im not getting involved through, i dont have the experiance in investments to call if its a scam or not

good luck anyways

So what was mature and constructive about his post Lee ?

Yet another example of lee failing.

(incase peple are skipping to the last page and not bothered with reading)

Hi kids, i am immature and silly but don't let that fool you!

Bump for a scammer

Random bump for a cool guy whose pos I blew up the other day.

You were hiding in it, so it's implied ownership :p

Don't worry, I won't tell everyone.... Oh wait

If you want to know why, just read the first few pages.

A subsidiary of Phaser inc by any chance ? Forgive my skepticism here, but it does sound very much like Phaser part 2.
Have you any evidence to show the community that this is a legit scheme ? If so, then I'd happily invest.

Can you please give me an example of how you plan to invest this money? Wouldn't the money be better invested in like a transport corp, or perhaps a miner corp, or really any other indy corp? Why do you think that you as an individual you have the ability to turn 10b isk into 52 billion every year, and that's the minimum, because if you make any less, you won't be able to pay your investors. Also, what have you done in the past to merit the trust you're asking for?

As a website creator for eve online corps, i sometimes ask for 2b up front before I start work on a client's website. Before they pay me that 2b, they ask for references, and past examples of work i've done. You''re asking for 5x that amount. Can you provide references, or examples of profits you've made in the past?

Finally, I'd ask that you show us your character sheet for your character. I take it you are an indy character right?

Try to excuse my skeptisizm, but with 10b isk, you could easily buy another character, and make off with the money without a trace. It seems unlikely that you are so amazingly skilled with the market, they you will quadruple your money every year.


Please don't take this post as offensive. I ask these questions as a potential investor :)

Care to share any testamonies perhaps, or words of praise from satisfied customers?

You may think you are being "trolled" but really, people have a valid reason for being skeptical since it was not so long ago that a similar scheme saw a lot of investors lose lots of ISK. I would like to believe that you are an honest "Trader" and that you have no intentions of running off with the ISK, but in todays climate you can never be certain. Instead of just replying to people and their concerns (blunt as they may be or otherwise) with "ur a troll", why not prove them wrong and give evidence to support your plea that you are someone people should invest in.

The more I read the pages in this thread, the more your credibility slips away.

It wouldn't prove anything. PErhaps your just trying to get more trust because yu want to scam for more later.. O.o

omg people, pls pls give it a rest and leave the guy alone.

1. go and troll the Jita local scammers

2. if he is making a legit go of things, good luck to you.

3. if it a ponzi scam, then, like even rl stocks and shares, people should not be investing more than they can afford to lose

hmm, isn't that like 0.0, don't take what you can't afford to leave behind in an instant.

October 1st payment received, so far so good.

How's business, Lee?

As someone who tried out a corporation that Lee started and was CEO of, I am not convinced this is a scam.

He was one of the worst CEOs I have ever seen, if not one of the worst EVE players I have ever seen. I do not think this guy is smart enough to scam.

As such, regardless of his intentions, I wouldn't even trust him with investing pocket lint for me.

To be honest, you weren't even around to kick anyone from corp if you wanted to. You played maybe one day a week, and never talked... and you aren't allowed on teamspeak after 7:00pm because your dad beats you if you wake him up. I remember when you got into a fight with him and your mic was open....

Point is, you were far from able to CEO or play before, and based upon facts from past experiences, it's hard to believe that you're asking people to hand you over billions of ISK to be responsible for. Come on....

Hmmm, hate to join in on trolling your thread but last time I checked you never kicked Victor from your corporation, he chose to start his own corporation and left due to your poor leadership, you being the guy trying to run a highsec corporation from lowsec because your sec status sucked, Oh and the guy who put us into an alliance full of inactive players because you couldn't organise your members well enough to fight against a wardec from Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap, given the fact that I am here posting because Victor told me about this fail scheme of yours, say's alot about him and less about you, 8 months down the line, i'm still playing with him, and some of the other 5 members who chose to leave your corporation when he created his own, hell check my main, i'm even in the same corporation as Victor.

Anyway on a more general note, this is ********, even if this scheme is legitimate which I doubt, trying to start an investment scheme so soon after eve's biggest scam which was an almost identical scheme, atleast let the fire die down first before you try a scheme like this when that scam isn't still fresh in people's minds.

the legitimacy of this fills my nostrils with the full bodied scent of unquestionability....

given the values suggested the profitability of this investment is headed in one direction only for those who choose to 'believe'

So would you care to join me on teamspeak tonight if it's all lies? Everyone in THA used to LOLOLOLOL that you were unable to talk at night because you'd wake your dad up.

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The same can be said about people whom post here looking to buy a Super, and get a mail from a Goonswarm member with an offer, with the request of Mittani as CSM.


Stupid people will be Stupid therefor deserve to reap the rewards of their stupidity (Congratulations on those who've invested with you, lol)

People whom are smart research into what they are investing into before handing over their hard earned cash to the man in the black suit & tie.

Also, you're bickering with Krythas has just gone further to show what he's saying is true. Congratulations.

Funny, that's pretty much the exact same argument used by people investing in phaser inc. I'd expound more, but i'm not on a device connducive to typeing :-)

Ive never said dont invest, ive said youd be crazy to and this investment looks dodgey, more than likey, some will get money back, but seriously? This guys trading system from the start looked nuts - letalone the rest of his business plan.

But, people will throw cash at stupid **** all the time. Welcome to eve.

S.C.A.M aka scam or Scam or sCaM or ScAm or SCAM

Hello,

This is to confirm that share payment have been received.

Also, received the last 2 months, but was unable to confirm at those times.

Yes i did get those as well.

Sorry, I was going to say i received them, but could not post confirmation for the other ones.

Thanks again.

There is plenty of evidence, i just got sick of repeating it and you have chosen to do little more than wave your hands and employ smoke and mirrors to disprove it or answer questions potential investors had. So, as was pointed out, its either a scam or a really stupid business plan. Either is a red flag to any potential investors.

If you can't read, which I highly suspect as being likely, then I'm really not going to waste time pointing out two threads worth of fail again here.

No, it doesn't prove I have none. If anything, your reply proves that you lack a basic grasp of the English language OR that you are intentionally trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes.
Answer: No I'm not trying to "pull the wool over peoples eyes". This bond is almost 6 months old and has been stable... and you are basically calling ppl stupid for investing... and use ES there is a review done on me in the old thread... read it wait i will find it for you >> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536461&page=9#241 a review, it has sense been suspended. >.< perfect timing...

Are you worried that people will actually start to read up on you and your trail of fail you've left behind ?
Answer: What trail of fail? http://eve-search.com/ << use this to do a background check.

Why are you constantly push that potential investors invest without researching you Lee ? are you worried they may find something they wont like ?
Answer 1: Let them research me i have nothing to hide.
Answer 2: I'm not worried about anything sense i do not scam.

Quick question - How old was Phaser Inc when they eventually scammed ? Why did they eventually scam (i.e - what was the reason behind them choosing X point in time as the point at which to run off with ISK) and what assurances have you put in place to ensure that this doesn't happen here ?
Answer 1: I have no idea how old they were, but if i read the news right 8 - 9 months old i think.
Answer 2: I have no idea why they choosed the time they did, maybe ppl were figuring it out and started to pull out investments, so they pulled the plug before they would lose all the isk they scammed.
Answer 3: Well for one its 200 shares at 50m = 10b so there is a cap of 10b, I will never raise the cap ( What i mean about this in 8 months when i refund the isk -1 year total this bond will be- For my next it will only be 10b for the cap ) Now as in assurances that i wont scam, is only my word it does not mean much now but it will after this is over...

I know you have no hope in hell of actually answering any of that.

People are misunderstanding the concept of a "junk" bond. Lee's offering is a textbook junk bond. He's offering a high interest rate in return for what is essentially a weak bond. Could he bail on us? Sure.

I can't speak for the other investors, but I did my homework on Lee, made that risk calculation, and decided to invest 2b. I thought about putting in 3b, but that exceeds my risk tolerance at the moment.

Lee's bond is just a part of my overall ISK-making strategy. If he doesn't pay back the 1.5b of my iSK that he still has, I will be unhappy, and will certainly voice my unhappiness on this thread, but in my bottom line, I am far more worried about Incursion Inflation than Lee's potential petty theft.

People are misunderstanding the concept of a "junk" bond. Lee's offering is a textbook junk bond. He's offering a high interest rate in return for what is essentially a weak bond. Could he bail on us? Sure.

I can't speak for the other investors, but I did my homework on Lee, made that risk calculation, and decided to invest 2b. I thought about putting in 3b, but that exceeds my risk tolerance at the moment.

Lee's bond is just a part of my overall ISK-making strategy. If he doesn't pay back the 1.5b of my iSK that he still has, I will be unhappy, and will certainly voice my unhappiness on this thread, but in my bottom line, I am far more worried about Incursion Inflation than Lee's potential petty theft.

Yeah, but you've already paid me 500m, so if you get hit by a bus tomorrow, I'm only out 1.5b in total.

Are you not the fellow who owns the Youtube channel "eveships" where you re-upload other peoples EVE videos?

Hmm.

Curious.

I like to say, I recieved all my isk back from LEE with interest. Glad he told me he didn't have time to trade or what not and gave me back my isk that I invested in him. No troubles mate, I'll gladly reinvest in you once you have the time and reopen. Best of luck and fly safe.

confirming ISK has been returned in full + rent.

Congratulations on a sucessful conclusion to your business Lee.

Hopefully now you have shown that you are a credible and reliable person to invest in after taking a beating from skeptics (myself included). Best of luck for the future.

Right, because doing what is considered normal is so out there for you, we can discount all the valid points people had. I guess this just means its was a braindead business plan from the onset then - which still has equal chance of failure.

Just because you appear to have paid back a bunch of unconfirmed people doesn't magically make your reputation squeaky. What makes you more credible is actually answering the questions people had, which you never did to any degree of satisfaction. Infact, you made yourself look stupider each time you attempted to answer people.

And lets not go into grasping some pretty simple concepts.

If you invested in this and came out ahead, then you were damn lucky.

(also, learn to type English and learn to use irony properly. What are you ? 12 ?)

Looks like someone is angry about being wrong. It's okay kid, you'll get the hang of this scam-spotting thing of yours. Also, you typed 'infact' instead of in fact, and 'braindead' instead of brain dead. Can't just go around inventing your own compound words now. Here's a tip: when you see the squiggly line under your words, it means you typed some English wrong. Maybe next time have your parents look it over first? Cheers.

I am confirming with everyone else that I have received full isk+interest and I am happy i have made a little profit with some isk :)